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RE: BGs Item List - Aaronock - 06-28-2011 10:22 AM
Resistances> Actual Defense in most cases, even in PvM!
This becomes even more important when BG Weps do not do more damage through resistances, but through actual defense.
92% demi-human resist is too good, I don't know why people are even justifying that its okay for ANY class to be able to reach such ridiculous numbers for resist. I guess in the future if this does happen I'm gunna build my SL to tank Bio3 MvP's with that huge resist. With devo on and Kaupe spamming, it should be pretty viable indeed. *-*
But you know, its not broken or anything.
RE: BGs Item List - Gojira - 06-28-2011 06:56 PM
Elements, do you know anything about RO mechanics?
92% demi human resist applies when statused meaning you will tank an asura even when sced or frozen so please, don't even dare compare these unbalanced accessories to gr.
Gr actually needs alot of armor switching to be used correctly and even then, a gr user can be killed if you outplay his armor switch with status use.
Also, a gr doesn't make you tank an incan+meg sonic blow. If you want to add those belts, they should be god items, not BG rewards.
RE: BGs Item List - iSpam - 06-28-2011 07:53 PM
oh. BG gears can be used outside pvp. derp didn't realized that. +1 to imbalanced then
RE: BGs Item List - Snowhawk - 06-29-2011 12:00 AM
Does the % for resist stack up the way everyone says it does? Or does it stack like EXP Items?
RE: BGs Item List - Incarn - 06-29-2011 12:09 AM
it stacks the way everyone says it does, since the GM said it's all gonna be thara-like resist :3
RE:??BGs Item List - Elements - 06-29-2011 05:23 AM
Gojira Wrote:92% demi human resist applies when
thats why mosty everyone agreed that it should be limited to one wearable accessoire, or altered effects if you wear two.
with one wearable accessoire, a spiked scarf, thara shield, combat knife + the glorious armory. (which will take quite enough time to obtain, assuming the gms will totally price them pretty highly.) you gain about 79% demi human reduction. (not sure if the spiked scarf gave 1 or 2% demi human resist, so i took the rms value)
Youll get 35% from the +Hp buffs off the glorious armory set, which at lvl 99/50 and 99 vit will boost your your hp to 11761 HP
Lets see what our main woe skills will do.
Acid demonstration:
The linker will have 105 vit, on the gears stated above.
assuming the bio runs 130 int, which is pretty doable, we talk about 29.969,4 dmg if we take the woe reductions into consideration.
on 79% demi human resist, we still take 6293,57 dmg per Acid demonstration.
We wont talk about assumtion here, because thats dispellable, and has a rather short duration time.
Said AD dmg should be pretty hard to output, assuming the linker will spawn in a lokis veil, and cant kaupe spamm.
Now to Asura Strike
I think its ok to talk about a damage of arround 25k here, which ends up to be 5250 dmg. Obviously Asura strike wont be a skill to worry about for linkers with such a low, not spammable damage. However, asura never has been such a bad skill for linkers anyway, considering kaupe covers up a hit, and asura is pretty predictable.
Lets leave it with these two skills for now. you see, linker are still pretty killable. Of course its not as easy as before, but suprise guys, good gear makes you tanky!
Now, of course you could say, you could always switch to a GR, to further reduce the incoming AD dmg, youll lose 7% demi human resistance, due to the armor swtich, and youll be freezable again due to losing the set bonus of the glorious amory.
So, no idea whats there to complain about -just yet- According to the numbers, a soullinker could still be killable with one of these accesoires. Neither will they become lhz3 tanking machines (under devotion), because not every mobb down there is of demi human race. (certain mobbs are demons, actually)
Saying one of these accessoires is too much is ridiculous. Good gear makes your good/tanky. hallelujah.
Sorry for the typos, im busy with work.
RE: BGs Item List - Zaratus - 06-29-2011 07:02 AM
Okay, I think it's time for me to step in.
How about you learn about RO mechanics before you try to argues something? AD isn't only reduced by WoE but also by the fact that it is used against a player (halved damage). So your 6300 suddenly becomes 3150. And suddenly you need 4 ADs. To kill ONE soullinker. Hand that guy an errende ebece carded accessory and he'll just laugh at you. 3k from an AD isn't much.
... An Asura with 25k dmg in WoE? Double that. But even then with 79 % reduction you survive. Without Kaupe. Hey, you need about two champs now to kill ONE soullinker. Retarded? Yes. You shouldn't be surviving Asura easily as a quite low HP class without GR *and* without Kaupe.
The point is that soullinkers due to their skills are already a pretty good surviving class (magic reflect, Kaupe). There is no need to make them tankier reulting in them surviving the stuff that was killing them before. How about we also put in an accessory that gives pneuma as active skill to every class?
Edit: Oh, what I forgot. Of course some of the mobs in lhz3 are demon. But Aaronock talked about tanking the MvPs which are all demihuman as well as their mobs. Lhz3 MvP Soullinker Tank, here we come. Yes, sure.
RE: ??BGs Item List - Gojira - 06-29-2011 10:53 AM
Elements Wrote:Gojira Wrote:92% demi human resist applies when
thats why mosty everyone agreed that it should be limited to one wearable accessoire, or altered effects if you wear two.
with one wearable accessoire, a spiked scarf, thara shield, combat knife + the glorious armory. (which will take quite enough time to obtain, assuming the gms will totally price them pretty highly.) you gain about 79% demi human reduction. (not sure if the spiked scarf gave 1 or 2% demi human resist, so i took the rms value)
Youll get 35% from the +Hp buffs off the glorious armory set, which at lvl 99/50 and 99 vit will boost your your hp to 11761 HP
Lets see what our main woe skills will do.
Acid demonstration:
The linker will have 105 vit, on the gears stated above.
assuming the bio runs 130 int, which is pretty doable, we talk about 29.969,4 dmg if we take the woe reductions into consideration.
on 79% demi human resist, we still take 6293,57 dmg per Acid demonstration.
We wont talk about assumtion here, because thats dispellable, and has a rather short duration time.
Said AD dmg should be pretty hard to output, assuming the linker will spawn in a lokis veil, and cant kaupe spamm.
Now to Asura Strike
I think its ok to talk about a damage of arround 25k here, which ends up to be 5250 dmg. Obviously Asura strike wont be a skill to worry about for linkers with such a low, not spammable damage. However, asura never has been such a bad skill for linkers anyway, considering kaupe covers up a hit, and asura is pretty predictable.
Lets leave it with these two skills for now. you see, linker are still pretty killable. Of course its not as easy as before, but suprise guys, good gear makes you tanky!
Now, of course you could say, you could always switch to a GR, to further reduce the incoming AD dmg, youll lose 7% demi human resistance, due to the armor??swtich, and youll be freezable again due to losing the set bonus of the glorious amory.
So, no idea whats there to complain about -just yet- According to the numbers, a soullinker could still be killable with one of these accesoires. Neither will they become lhz3 tanking machines (under devotion), because not every mobb down there is of demi human race. (certain mobbs are demons, actually)
Saying one of these accessoires is too much is ridiculous. Good gear makes your good/tanky. hallelujah.
Sorry for the typos, im busy with work.
It's funny that you have 0 idea how mechanics work+you try to make it sound normal an extended class would tank as much if not more then a paladin even with your horrible interpretation of mechanics....
The goal of the bg set is to compensate for the bg weapons. Right now, the SL bg items combined together would outclass the weapons by FAR. Hell, you'd be outclassing a card like Incantation Samurai with that crap.
RE: BGs Item List - Snowhawk - 06-29-2011 02:34 PM
Can the script be changed to actually increase defense when battling a Demi-Human? Not resist like Thara Frog, but actually just buff defense when against Demi-Humans?
RE: BGs Item List - Andaroo - 06-29-2011 05:23 PM
While we're on the topic of broken things... why don't we nerf AD and EDP? /hmm.
If anything broke woe it was those two. Since trans classes were introduced, woe has been completely broken
. I miss being able to tank an entire precast on a crusader like in non-trans--when woe wasn't broken. We've been playing with broken woe for years .