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Ayu: /* War of Emperium, Second Edition */

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‎War of Emperium, Second Edition

Ayu: /* Changes to heRO's War of Emperiums */

2022-07-27T09:25:00Z

‎Changes to heRO's War of Emperiums

Ayu: /* FAQ About Other Concerns */

2022-07-27T01:18:36Z

‎FAQ About Other Concerns

Ayu: /* Changes to Other Items */

2022-07-27T01:16:50Z

‎Changes to Other Items

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 * WoE:SE will share the same customized ban list of items as heRO's WoE:FE
 * Warper will be available to warp to each WoE:SE castle
 Similar to WoE:FE, the god item quests will only be a series of item collection. Contact a GM to trade said items for your new god item. You can check it out at this page: [[God_Item_Quest|God Item Quest]] <br>
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 Q: Why are there so little changes with only the repair kits and no other parts of WoE:SE? I've played it on other servers and <insert mechanics here> is absolutely busted.<br>
 A: We are bit more on a wait-and-see basis if other parts need changing. Nothing is off the table for things that needs to be changed, if we deem that it's beneficial for the server overall.<br>
 ==Changes to heRO's War of Emperiums==

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 *Ghostring Card (Newly added)
 *[[Selkie Card]] (Newly added)
-*[[Nemo]]
+*Fishes from [[Fishing]]
-*[[Dory]]
 *Yggdrasil Seed (Newly added)
 *Yggdrasil Berry (Newly added)
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 In addition, all skills will no longer consume any items as a skill catalyst so long as you have the proper amount of items in your inventory.
-* As long as you have 1 Fire Bottle and 1 Acid Bottle, you can cast Acid Demonstration without any limit.
+* E.g. As long as you have 1 Fire Bottle and 1 Acid Bottle, you can cast Acid Demonstration without any limit.
-* As long as you have 1 blue gemstones in your inventory, you can cast as many Safety Wall as you see fit.
+* E.g. As long as you have 1 blue gemstones in your inventory, you can cast as many Safety Wall as you see fit.
-* As long as you have the proper ammunition equipped, you don't need more than the amount consumed by your skill because ammos are not consumed.
+* E.g. As long as you have the proper ammunition equipped, you don't need more than the amount consumed by your skill because ammos are not consumed.
 * This applies even for Wizard Soul Link- so long as you have 1 crystal fragment and the Soul Link active, you will bypass the effects of Kaite.

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	Q: Why are all the documents screenshots instead of actual tables...?<br>		Q: Why are all the documents screenshots instead of actual tables...?<br>
	A: Because GM-Ayu doesn't have the access to allow the upload of pdf documents to the wiki, and converting it to mediawiki tables take far too long. So instead, you get screenshot of T&D design docs.<br>		A: Because GM-Ayu doesn't have the access to allow the upload of pdf documents to the wiki, and converting it to mediawiki tables take far too long. So instead, you get screenshot of T&D design docs.<br>
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		+	Q: What if we have other suggestions or concerns?<br>
		+	A: Please feel free to reach out to GM-Ayu in discord or send in a support ticket, and we'll be happy to talk about these changes.<br>

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	Finally, Condensed Potions will be buffed in weight. Condensed White Potions will be lowered to a weight of 3. Condensed Yellow Potion will be lowered to a weight of 2, and Condensed Red Potion will be lowered to a weight of 1.<br><br>		Finally, Condensed Potions will be buffed in weight. Condensed White Potions will be lowered to a weight of 3. Condensed Yellow Potion will be lowered to a weight of 2, and Condensed Red Potion will be lowered to a weight of 1.<br><br>
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		+	===FAQ about Other Item Changes===

	Q: Why this change specifically? <br>		Q: Why this change specifically? <br>

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 The following items will be sold at the [[WoE Supply Shop]] at a low cost, where these items can only be used in WoE.
-* [[War Healing Potion]]
+* [[War Healing Potion]] (same property as a Mastela Fruit)
-* [[War Blue Potion]]
+* [[War Blue Potion]] (same property as a [[Light Blue Potion]])
 * [[War Concentration Potion]]
 * [[War Awakening Potion]]
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 Q: Can you explain what was "wrong" with Glorious Fist?<br>
-A: Glorious Fist's issues are on multiple scale. It is a relatively "+9 or bust" gear where any thing before +9 is not helpful because it is worse than the Glorious Morningstar. Once it does get +9, it is an overcentralizing piece of gear in both PvM and PvP scene. In PvM, it allows Champions to very safely get off an Asura Strike even against the most dangerous MvPs, possibly to a point that if teleport is sufficiently lucky, then you can solo even the Biolab MVPs which should be some of the toughest in the game. In PvP, it is much worse. Instant-cast Asura Strike allows no counterplay such as Safety Wall or swap gears, and the downtime between each casts of Asura Strike is greatly reduced due to the free cast of Dangerous Soul Collect as well.
+A: Glorious Fist's issues are on multiple scale. It is a relatively "+9 or bust" gear where any thing before +9 is not helpful because it is worse than the Glorious Morningstar. Once it does get +9, it is an overcentralizing piece of gear in both PvM and PvP scene. In PvM, it allows Champions to very safely get off an Asura Strike even against the most dangerous MvPs, possibly to a point that if teleport is sufficiently lucky, then you can solo even the Biolab MVPs which should be some of the toughest in the game. In PvP, it is much worse. Instant-cast Asura Strike allows no counterplay such as Safety Wall or swap gears, and the downtime between each casts of Asura Strike is greatly reduced due to the free cast of Dangerous Soul Collect as well. <br>
 Q: How is the proposed exchange of BG Weapons a remotely fair compensation compare to the nerf that +9 Glorious Fist has received?<br>
-A: Owners of the weapon had years of usage out of it to do content that normally cannot be soloed, or enjoy a huge advantage in WoE. We consider that the current compensations to swap to another +9 glorious weapons to be sufficient.
+A: Owners of the weapon had years of usage out of it to do content that normally cannot be soloed, or enjoy a huge advantage in WoE. We consider that the current compensations to swap to another +9 glorious weapons to be sufficient.<br>
 Q: Why remove the unbreakable aspect of the weapons?<br>
-A:
+A: It makes them "do too much", when normally you need to sacrifice a card slot for Golem card to get that property, or that it's a special selling point for a weapon too have the unbreakable trait. This is especially true in PvM. In WoE, most situations should have everyone under Full Chemical Protection anyway, especially now that it's free to cast. <br>
-Q: Removing access to reliable forms of inflicting critical wounds is a huge detraction to strategical elements of WoE to limit the effect of healing, especially now that Potions are essentially free. Why remove strategic options?<br>
+Q: Removing access to inflict critical wounds for only raw damage is a huge detraction to the strategical elements of WoE to limit the effect of healing, especially now that potions are essentially free. Why remove strategic options?<br>
+A: We also acknowledge that this is an issue. However, only a couple +9 BG weapons can inflict critical wounds so it's was not very accessible either. We hope that we can reintroduce these effects on other weapons in the near future.<br>
-Q: Why is the Glorious Two-Handed Axe so different? It did not follow any of your described guiding principles.<br>
 ==Changes to Other Items==
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 The [[Stunning_Star_Eyepatch|Stunning Star Eyepatch]] will be boosted from 10% to 20% resistance to the Stun status. As a result of this change, '''any slotted mid headgear with Stalactic Golem card will be given a chance to be decarded at no cost during the month of August.''' Please contact a GM to take up this trade offer.<br><br>
-Previous posts mentioned that the [[Selkie]] card will be remade. However, after reconsideration, the problematic part of Selkie involves its WoE interactions to allow status immunity via a 100 mdef build without sacrificing armor card slot. There's no problems with Selkie card in PvM scenarios. For this reason, we have rescinded the Selkie change and instead decided to ban it from WoE instead. There's no longer any reason why WoE ban list must be a particular "classification" of cards. We'll ban (or unban) any card or item as we see fit in the inevitable WoE balance changes after WoE:SE's introduction. Going forward, we'll like to explore options to make WoE gears more accessible: be it making it not as difficult to obtain, releasing WoE targeted gears, or explore any other options.
+Previous posts mentioned that the [[Selkie]] card will be remade. However, after reconsideration, the problematic part of Selkie involves its WoE interactions to allow status immunity via a 100 mdef build without sacrificing armor card slot. There's no problems with Selkie card in PvM scenarios. For this reason, we have rescinded the Selkie change and instead decided to ban it from WoE instead. There's no longer any reason why WoE ban list must be a particular "classification" of cards. We'll ban (or unban) any card or item as we see fit in the inevitable WoE balance changes after WoE:SE's introduction. Going forward, we'll like to explore options to make WoE gears more accessible: be it making it not as difficult to obtain, releasing WoE targeted gears, or explore any other options.<br><br>
 Q: Why this change specifically? <br>
-A: Resisting stun is a super crucial aspect of WoE, and increasing the availability of 20% stun resistance in mid headgear slot will be another step towards having a slightly more approachable WoE. Also, changing the number of an existing headgear is pretty simple as we are not creating a new item for it.<br>
+A: Resisting stun is a super crucial aspect of WoE, and increasing the availability of 20% stun resistance in mid headgear slot will be another step towards having a slightly more approachable WoE. Also, changing the number of an existing headgear is pretty simple as we are not creating a new item for it. As for the condensed potion changes, it is to make them more useful in PvM, and so that existing guild's stash of Condensed White Potions are still comparable as that of War Healing Potion, if they want to use it for WoE. We will keep an eye out for Condensed Potions, and consider further weight reductions such that a brewed Condensed White Potion is more competitive against Light White Potion.<br>
 Q: But this headgear is unobtainable until November!
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 [[File:WoEChestChange04.png]]<br>
 [[File:WoEChestChange05.png]]<br>
 ===FAQ About WoE Rewards===
-Q: Doesn't random chests lower the likelihood to get god item pieces for WoE:FE?
+Q: Doesn't random chests lower the likelihood to get god item pieces for WoE:FE?<br>
-Q: Why does WoE:SE drop rate for special god item chests set at half of that of WoE:FE?
+Q: Why are the WoE:SE god item ingredient drop rates set at half of WoE:FE's?<br>
-Q: Why remove Yggdrasil Seed and Yggdrasil Berry from WoE chest rewards?
+Q: Why remove Yggdrasil Seed and Yggdrasil Berry from WoE chest rewards?<br>
 ===FAQ About Other Concerns===
 Q: What will happen to WoE:FE?<br>
-Q: There is a clear emphasis on making gears accessible but I don't think it's necessary that everyone needs to have top tier gears. What happened to the improvement aspect of WoE where players should be trying to improve their gear set a little bit at a time, week after week?<br>
+Q: There is a clear emphasis on making gears accessible but I don't think it's necessary that everyone needs to have top tier gears for WoE. What happened to the improvement aspect of WoE where players should be trying to improve their gear set a little bit at a time, week after week?<br>
 Q: Why is heRO GM team wasting efforts on an area that is clearly the server's weakness for years? heRO will benefit more to focus on what the majority of players like now, which is the custom PvM content.<br>
 Q: Why are all the documents screenshots instead of actual tables...?<br>
-A: Because GM-Ayu doesn't have the access to allow upload of pdf documents, and converting it to mediawiki tables take far too long. So instead, you get screenshot of T&D design docs.<br>
+A: Because GM-Ayu doesn't have the access to allow the upload of pdf documents to the wiki, and converting it to mediawiki tables take far too long. So instead, you get screenshot of T&D design docs.<br>
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-Q: What is the point of brewing now? Why work towards ranked brewer when there are "free" healing items provided that are just as good, if not better, than ranked condensed whites?<br>
-−
-Q: Previous posts mentioned that Frost Joke and Scream may change. Can you elaborate further?<br>
-−
-Q: What are some other skills that

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 Q: Isn't the removal of skill catalysts going to completely unbalance WoE, especially when certain classes are kept in check due to their skill cost?<br>
-A:
+A: We don't deny the possibility that certain classes will be overpowered when they have no skill catalyst costs. However, we don't believe that a healthy limitation to a powerful class should be how expensive and time consuming it is to play at their full power. A class ought to be powerful yet checked by other classes even though they are playing at their full potential. Therefore, if a class turns out to be overpowered once they have no skill catalysts, we will change the class skills at the source to address the problem.<br>
 Q: Won't these changes completely unbalance the weight game aspect of WoE? I am concerned that the strategic element of WoE logistic runs and "refilling" will be gone.<br>
 Q: Can we make "Boxes" of the new WoE items?<br>
 Q: Why can't the WoE Supply Shop also sell <some item> for WoE as well?<br>
 Q: Why are GMs effectively giving out free items for WoE? Why not just hand out gears at this rate?<br>
 Q: Why should guild dungeons be available to non-castle owners? Winners to WoE ought to be rewarded.<br>
-Q: The price of guild dungeons is far too high/low. Will the price should be lowered/raised?<br>
+Q: The price of guild dungeons is far too high/low. Will the price be lowered/raised?<br>
 ==Changes to Battleground Items==
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 Q: How is the proposed exchange of BG Weapons a remotely fair compensation compare to the nerf that Glorious Fist has received?<br>
 Q: Why remove the unbreakable aspect of the gears?<br>

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 Q: Why create the 2 Repair Kits? <br>
-A:
+A: Again, we want to greatly reduce the need to farm for "non-permanent" things for WoE every week for our players to reduce maintenance cost. Farming steel, trunk, elunium, and oridecon every week did not fit in our vision for WoE, so we decided to remove this aspect of it.<br>
 Q: Why are there so little changes with only the repair kits and no other parts of WoE:SE? I've played it on other servers and <insert mechanics here> is absolutely busted.<br>
-A:
+A: We are bit more on a wait-and-see basis if other parts need changing. Nothing is off the table for things that needs to be changed, if we deem that it's beneficial for the server overall.<br>
 ==Changes to heRO's War of Emperiums==
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 *Deviling Card (Newly added)
 *Ghostring Card (Newly added)
-*Selkie Card (Newly added)
+*[[Selkie Card]] (Newly added)
 *[[Nemo]]
 *[[Dory]]
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 ===FAQ About Changes to heRO's War of Emperiums===
-Q: Why ban the Deviling Card?<br>
+Q: Why ban the Deviling Card or Ghostring card?<br>
-Q: Why ban the Ghostring Card?<br>
+Q: Why ban the [[Selkie Card]]?<br>
-Q: Why ban the Selkie Card?<br>
+Q: Why not ban the Angeling Card? It is one of 2 remaining cards that are unobtainable in OCA, yet it is available in WoE.<br>
-Q: Why not ban the Angeling Card?<br>
+Q: Why not ban the Maya Purple Card? It is the other remaining card that is unobtainable in OCA, yet it is available in WoE.<br>
-Q: Why not ban the Maya Purple Card?<br>
+Q: There are MVP cards/some God Items that are far weaker than some of the banned cards though? How do heRO GMs plan to explain this level of hypocrisy?<br>
+A: We agree! In the following months, we will consider if we can let some items/cards off the ban list. Again, nothing is off the tables. We will take an active approach to do whatever it takes to offer more strategic options and game play choices. WoE changes will not be a constant stream of bans- if a buff or unban seems suitable, we will do so.<br>
-Q: There are MVP cards far weaker than come of the banned cards. Why ban those cards?<br>
 Q: Ghostring card is useless now! What will GM team do with it?<br>
 Q: Isn't the removal of skill catalysts going to completely unbalance WoE, especially when certain classes are kept in check due to their skill cost?<br>
 Q: Can we make "Boxes" of the new WoE items?<br>
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 We have decided to align all the weapons to have a "similar structure" at the 6 and 9 refine point. Physical based weapons tend to have 2 effects by default. For magic/support based weapons, we have 4 effects for magic/support based weapon, mostly the usual matk boost innate to all magic based weapons, then a refine based bonus to matk so that their refines are relevant beyond breakpoints for casters. Finally, the +9 effect is almost always a 20% boost to a signature skill that the gear is oriented for, whenever possible. Some exceptions are made for skills or support skills that cannot benefit from direct % boosts. We've also decided to give 2h weapons additional boosts to justify their sacrifice of a shield slot (for weapon types that have 1h alternatives, so this will not apply to weapon types like bows). It may be too mild for now and they are still inferior to equipping a shield, but we want to direct 2 handed weapons towards the direction of an extremely high risk, high reward glass cannon strategies. <br><br>
-With that said, here are the following
+With that said, here are the following changes:<br>
 [[File:BGWeaponChange01.png]]<br>
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 [[File:BGAcessoryChange02.png]]<br>
 [[File:BGAcessoryChange03.png]]<br>
 ===FAQ about BG Item Changes===
 Q: Can you explain what was "wrong" with Glorious Fist?<br>
 Q: How is the proposed exchange of BG Weapons a remotely fair compensation compare to the nerf that Glorious Fist has received?<br>

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 WoE:SE will replace the Saturday WoE:FE session at Saturday from 11 AM to 12 PM server time (see [[War_of_Emperium#WoE_Times|here for timezone conversion]]). The base mechanics of the WoE:SE is the same as official (which you can read about here: [https://irowiki.org/wiki/War_of_Emperium_2 iRO Wiki WoE SE]), with the following exceptions:
-* Guardian Stones do not require a list of items to fix. Instead, they require a single "Guardian Stone Repair Kit" with 1 weight to repair them. However, you are still expected to know the proper repair prompts as if you have the proper items to repair it.
+* Guardian Stones do not require a list of items to fix. Instead, they require a single [[Guardian Stone Repair Kit]] with 1 weight to repair them. However, you are still expected to know the proper repair prompts as if you have the proper items to repair it.
-* Barricades do not require a list of items to fix. Instead, they require a single "Barricade Repair Kit" with 1 weight to repair them. However, you are still expected to know the proper repair prompts as if you have the proper items to repair it.
+* Barricades do not require a list of items to fix. Instead, they require a single [[Barricade Repair Kit]] with 1 weight to repair them. However, you are still expected to know the proper repair prompts as if you have the proper items to repair it.
-* "Guardian Stone Repair Kit" and "Barricade Repair Kit" are sold for 1500z at the [[WoE Supplier shop]] (before discounts)
+* "Guardian Stone Repair Kit" and "Barricade Repair Kit" are sold at low cost at the [[WoE Supply Shop]] (before discounts)
 * The Emperium of WoE:SE castles is identical to the pre-renewal WoE:FE Emperiums
 * Provides God Item ingredient pieces for [[Asprika]] and [[Brynhild]]
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 Similar to WoE:FE, the god item quests will only be a series of item collection. Contact a GM to trade said items for your new god item. You can check it out at this page: [[God_Item_Quest|God Item Quest]] <br>
-==Changes to heRO's War of Emperium Mechanics==
+Q: Why create the 2 Repair Kits? <br>
-The following changes will also be made to both WoE:FE and WoE:SE.
+Q: Why are there so little changes with only the repair kits and no other parts of WoE:SE? I've played it on other servers and <insert mechanics here> is absolutely busted.<br>
 The following items will be banned in both WoE:
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 *Costume Blazing Sun
 *Costume Banshee Master Kiss
-*[[Nobility Mount]] (see note below)
+*[[Nobility Mount]]
-In addition, all skills will no longer consume any items as a skill catalyst so long as you have the proper amount of items in your inventory.<br>
+As a result of these changes, '''any gear with Ghostring card, Deviling card or Selkie card will be given a chance to be decarded at no cost during the month of August.''' Please contact a GM to take up this trade offer.<br>
 * As long as you have 1 Fire Bottle and 1 Acid Bottle, you can cast Acid Demonstration without any limit.
 * As long as you have 1 blue gemstones in your inventory, you can cast as many Safety Wall as you see fit.
 * As long as you have the proper ammunition equipped, you don't need more than the amount consumed by your skill because ammos are not consumed.
 * This applies even for Wizard Soul Link- so long as you have 1 crystal fragment and the Soul Link active, you will bypass the effects of Kaite.
 ==War of Emperium Rewards==
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 ===FAQ About WoE Rewards===
 Q: Doesn't random chests lower the likelihood to get god item pieces for WoE:FE?
 Q: Why does WoE:SE drop rate for special god item chests set at half of that of WoE:FE?