Quagmire, something seems wrong.

[Zaratus]

No. The problem is that somebody wants to be able to reach 190 aspd (or almost that) in quag. If quag cancels not only THQ but also the zerk aspd this won't be possible. That's what Fates is picking about.

Zerk's aspd bonus shouldn't be reduced by quag.

Edit: Quag reduces Dex and Agi and removes all Speed/Agi Buffs (THQ, Adrenaline Rush, Cart Boost, Agi, Improve Concentration). The Problem is that Berserk isn't *really* a speed buff. It doesn't sound right for me that its speed is reduced by quag too.

[Motenai_Ronin]

So what you're picking about is Quag and Berserk should either be all or nothing right?

[proto]

Motenai_Ronin Wrote:So what you're picking about is Quag and Berserk should either be all or nothing right?

quag shouldnt affect the berserk, since its not a skill, but an
item

[Avalon_Fates]

Motenai_Ronin Wrote:So what you're picking about is Quag and Berserk should either be all or nothing right?

Exactly, It cancels other buffs but for Zerk it just ignores its aspd buff. I think either Berserk aspd bonus should be allowed into the equation or at least Quag dispells it so we can recast our buffs.

@Proto - I mean the LK skill Frenzy/Berserk. Not Berserk Pots.

[Fyrus Carmin]

proto Wrote:quag shouldnt affect the berserk, since??its not a skill, but an
item

Berserk IS a skill on eAthena, called Frenzy on iRO.
The Berserk Potion item still exists however.

EDIT : Just noticed that Fates said it already ... Oh well.

[mahawirasd]

perhaps it is taken into account in the sense that quag dispells 2hq and incAgi and reduces Aspd beyond that to the extent that whatever Aspd you gained from berserk/frenzy is negated by it.

I play my wife's LK. I zerk all the time, and i use zerk pots. I've encountered quag, and yes it does reduce Aspd from berserk but no, if i was zerking and used a zerk pot i'd get base Aspd + zerk pot Aspd and if i went into a quag just with 2hq and a zerk pot, iirc i still got base Aspd + zerk pot Aspd - a wee bit from the quaq. So it all adds up i suppose... will try it out later tonight when i get on.

and although i would love to get zerk dispelled on quag, i don't think that will ever happen... as jugg said, dispell = LK could tele or survive somehow, but quag = death...


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[Kretzer]

The real question here is.

Why are you zerking with shitty ASPD against Machi of all people?

[Avalon_Fates]

Nah if it counted Frenzys Aspd bonus my aspd would be much higher then when I wasn't Frenzied in the same quagmire.

To answer your question Kretzer, because its fun.

[Kretzer]

Avalon_Fates Wrote:To answer your question Kretzer, because its fun.

Nah, using AD or EDP on PvP is fun.

Zerking like that its either desperate or dumb, or both =/

[Avalon_Fates]

Yeh Kretz not that your statements about whats fun and not isn't riveting and or but lets keep on track, Is Quagmire glitched at the moment or was it made to ignore Frenzy's aspd bonus.