TK Class (More SG really)

[Frogboy]

especially if you get the mapwide curse HJ to go off with the ledger =D and that reminds me, i should probably get that encyclopedia for my battle sage XD

[Monkey Feet]

Giant Encyclopedia has 2 slots :D
You still get 20 crit even without any luck at all. Its also nice enough to give you a random +3 int and +2 dex bonus, not bad at all, you can get all that for five less attack from the other commonly used carded book Bible [2]. Its just an amazing all around book to me, and any battle sage using books can actually obtain this unlike Sage's Diary, and an SG with it is just even better in my opinion.

Ledger is for more than pvp, you could easily use it for emp breaking too, and pvm wise...that thing could be scary as all get out while mobbing or even not.

Oh, my bad XD

I guess it IS better.

It'd be nice to refine it to +10 though

Ledger, you can probably solo Bio 3 with it if you get enough flee/hp/pots.

I'm a PvP man = D

XD Yea Frog

[mahawirasd]

Dude, an AUTOCAST sage?

You can do a whole load with him man, why are you complaining about it?

Go solo something, spam the living heck outta stuff.

uh yeah rite...

have you ever even TRIED an autocast sage?

it's DPS is even WORSE than JUST a TK... seriously...

thing is autocast sage is a hybrid build, it requires you to allocate stat points in several stats rather than just str-dex for SGs...

and as proof that people also believe that SGs are better than autocast sages, just look at the population... there are always more SGs than autocast sages...


-w-

[Monkey Feet]

Dude, an AUTOCAST sage?

You can do a whole load with him man, why are you complaining about it?

Go solo something, spam the living heck outta stuff.

uh yeah rite...

have you ever even TRIED an autocast sage?

it's DPS is even WORSE than JUST a TK... seriously...

thing is autocast sage is a hybrid build, it requires you to allocate stat points in several stats rather than just str-dex for SGs...

and as proof that people also believe that SGs are better than autocast sages, just look at the population... there are always more SGs than autocast sages...


-w-

Dude.

Are.

You.

Friken.

STUPID?

A autocast sage can just set up a fire wall and spam firebolt or walk around with a peco pet and start spaming other stuff.

Just because there are more doesn't mean they're way better, for example, there are WAY more LKs, but pallys, if they're geared right, are pretty much untouchable by snipers, LKs, clowns, gypsies, and pretty much all classes.

So are you saying pallies suck too since people aren't playing them as much?

Stop.

Being.

Stoopeed.

[mahawirasd]

lol, calling me names?
makes you feel good about yourself?

srsly dude, play just a bit more and you'll understand why i say SGs own autocast sages without question... I don't play much but i know the basic algorithm of things, and without question SGs have much more potential (both equipped and naked) than autocast sages...
SGs have way more versatility and is at least a char ppl won't mind partying with. Autocast sages don't have enough skill points to go around to even be worth partying with.

don't talk without thinking man... proof to me your autocast sage (remember the most important difference of an autocast and a caster sage is that autocasters actually go face to face with the monster) can solo anubis faster/safer than my SG. I know you don't have a sage yet, and neither do i have an SG yet, but if you put your money where your mouth is, i'd happily make an SG just to prove my point.
Then after that let's see who rules in pvp (even without the maps).
Furthermore, i'm pretty certain SGs can own nameless solo (up to banshees at least)...

stop being an attention wh*re (don't mean to cuss, and i apologize if it sounds rude, but it's just that i can't seem to find a better expression to your situation) dude...


-w-

PS: if anyone has a better/more polite way of putting that last expression, please feel free to rectify me.

[Monkey Feet]

lol, calling me names?
makes you feel good about yourself?

srsly dude, play just a bit more and you'll understand why i say SGs own autocast sages without question... I don't play much but i know the basic algorithm of things, and without question SGs have much more potential (both equipped and naked) than autocast sages...
SGs have way more versatility and is at least a char ppl won't mind partying with. Autocast sages don't have enough skill points to go around to even be worth partying with.

don't talk without thinking man... proof to me your autocast sage (remember the most important difference of an autocast and a caster sage is that autocasters actually go face to face with the monster) can solo anubis faster/safer than my SG. I know you don't have a sage yet, and neither do i have an SG yet, but if you put your money where your mouth is, i'd happily make an SG just to prove my point.
Then after that let's see who rules in pvp (even without the maps).
Furthermore, i'm pretty certain SGs can own nameless solo (up to banshees at least)...

stop being an attention wh*re (don't mean to cuss, and i apologize if it sounds rude, but it's just that i can't seem to find a better expression to your situation) dude...


-w-

PS: if anyone has a better/more polite way of putting that last expression, please feel free to rectify me.

Yes.
Yes, as a matter infact, it makes me cosy inside making fun of other people who make fun of me. Just like how you do when you insult people and ruin a moment that they were enjoying by insulting them out of nowhere.

Autocast sages aren't ment to go meele, they're AUTOCAST, not automeelekiller.

When you trans, and become an autocast proff, please come own me, since I KNOW doublecast + web + SC + autocast firebolt will definatly win.

You don't even NEED web or SC, you can just doublecast, run around, and firebolt.

SGs can't solo anubis without moon map on moon days, but guess what.

ANUBIS ARE LARGE, WHICH MEANS THEY NEED STELLAR.

D.
U.
H.

An attention whore?

Dude, I wouldn't even be in this situation if it wasn't for you or Gagluk or people like that.

This wasn't supposed to be even a friken hate mail back and forth, it was supposed to be, and originally, a suggestion to the GMs, which people like you were like "OMG WTF I HATE MONKEY, MUST INSULT HIM" so shut up, think about what YOU did first, since clearly, YOU think YOU're smarter than me, so before YOU tell me I did something wrong first, look what YOU've done first, and stop acting like a kindergardener, thinking YOU're always 500% right, and the other person is always wrong, because YOU are too IGNORANT.

Edit: You're calling me stupid while you couldn't even auction right? http://pandoraonline.net/forum/showthrea...1#pid95521

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[azurerogue]

Uh, did you just say Autocast sage's aren't meant to melee???You HAVE to melee to trigger the autocast.??You're talking about double casting while other's are talking about autocasting...??get your words straight, and stop being a jerk.??

But auto cast professors are really fun, though totally sub-par.??I have the gear to make one, and I occasionally reset my Professor into the build.??They're great, if you have a soul linker spouse (which I do).??And they're even better if you have a linked Blacksmith to give you Full Adrenaline Rush (or, as a substitute, a bard to SinX for you).??190 ASPD with 1 out of every attacks triggering a level 10 bolt, and 4 out of every 5 of those bolts triggering ANOTHER lever 10 bolt.??

So, while you're calling someone stupid for thinking autocast sages are meant to melee, Monkey - you look like both an idiot and a jerk, because that's EXACTLY what AUTOcast sages do.??Attacks trigger autocast.??Unless you've found a way to equip a Professor with a bow type weapon, you'll need to be getting into melee with some monsters.??

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EDIT: Also, Herman gets a one day ban for this:

Cry me a river...



and maybe i'll play you a sad song from my tiny violin

I choose to whine about the whiners who think reset is too steep. Honestly, I can make about 2m an hour on a lvl 70 non-trans alt with no gears... heck I still make about 1 mil an hour fishing even after all the recent nerfs it has had. The items arent hard either, look in a shop or go hunt the items needed... you shouldnt have to reset more than once/twice unless you are alche/bsmith. Even if you choose to reset often because you forge or brew.. get the people you forge/brew for to help cover costs.. or make sure you run a profit with sales so that you can make up for resetting costs.. it really isnt that hard. I like the fact that it is a little harder to change.. sure, it sucks when I want to put Herman into a lvling build and then back to FS for woe/pvp, but at least I cant switch my build every week on a whim and I know most others cant afford to do it either. I dont think it should be an easy thing to do, and I agree with the current plan. Of course, I'm arguing for the high level resetting and if you have a char that high, you should be able to afford/make funds for the reset. If you are complaining about pre lvl 80 resetting, you're an idiot, because its CHEAPER than it used to be..

But Monkey can say everything he's said in this thread and be fine? Weird.

[Monkey Feet]

Uh, did you just say Autocast sage's aren't meant to melee???You HAVE to melee to trigger the autocast.??You're talking about double casting while other's are talking about autocasting...??get your words straight, and stop being a jerk.??

But auto cast professors are really fun, though totally sub-par.??I have the gear to make one, and I occasionally reset my Professor into the build.??They're great, if you have a soul linker spouse (which I do).??And they're even better if you have a linked Blacksmith to give you Full Adrenaline Rush (or, as a substitute, a bard to SinX for you).??190 ASPD with 1 out of every attacks triggering a level 10 bolt, and 4 out of every 5 of those bolts triggering ANOTHER lever 10 bolt.??

So, while you're calling someone stupid for thinking autocast sages are meant to melee, Monkey - you look like both an idiot and a jerk, because that's EXACTLY what AUTOcast sages do.??Attacks trigger autocast.??Unless you've found a way to equip a Professor with a bow type weapon, you'll need to be getting into melee with some monsters.??

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EDIT:??Also, Herman gets a one day ban for this:

Cry me a river...



and maybe i'll play you a sad song from my tiny violin

I choose to whine about the whiners who think reset is too steep.??Honestly, I can make about 2m an hour on a lvl 70 non-trans alt with no gears... heck I still make about 1 mil an hour fishing even after all the recent nerfs it has had. The items arent hard either, look in a shop or go hunt the items needed... you shouldnt have to reset more than once/twice unless you are alche/bsmith. Even if you choose to reset often because you forge or brew.. get the people you forge/brew for to help cover costs.. or make sure you run a profit with sales so that you can make up for resetting costs.. it really isnt that hard.??I like the fact that it is a little harder to change.. sure, it sucks when I want to put Herman into a lvling build and then back to FS for woe/pvp, but at least I cant switch my build every week on a whim and I know most others cant afford to do it either.??I dont think it should be an easy thing to do, and I agree with the current plan.??Of course, I'm arguing for the high level resetting and if you have a char that high, you should be able to afford/make funds for the reset.??If you are complaining about pre lvl 80 resetting, you're an idiot, because its CHEAPER than it used to be..

But Monkey can say everything he's said in this thread and be fine???Weird.

They're AUTOCAST, they shouldn't be tanking at least, that's what I'm saying.

And I'm saying when you trans and get doublecast with autocast, you won't be complaining retard.

Again, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO TANK.

You think I'M the only jerk?

Dude, look at yourself.

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[azurerogue]

Except when I "flame" you it's with a reasoned argument and without much name calling.??When you respond it's with things like:

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So keep crying about your class being undergeared or whatever, this is not the way to convince anyone of anything.??But good luck.

[GM-Aki]

Ok for now this thread is closing, Monkey Feet, take a break and come back later please.