RE: The speed of the chat boxs
Hmm... I just hope my last post was not too 'aggressive' in general, as it was not my intention. Fishing/mining is a part of the server and I would never say "OMG STOP FISHING/MINING NAO" (even if I had the power to do it ;-) ). It is a part of the game.
I just wanted to present a bit different view on this matter, because I haven't seen this particular approach in this thread yet.
I agree mining and fishing do not have to make a player 'useless', of course, and what I presented is definitely not a standard. It depends on a person and on the person's personality.
And yes, I agree with all people who said 'if someone finds that kind of clicking fun, let them, they should have the right to'. Of course they do, there is no objection. I am not trying to attack anyone.
For me personally mining/fishing is extremely boring, especially as I am not a very talkative person out of parties (though if you party me, go on, try to silence me XD).
In fact, I'd stay silent in this thread if not for the fact that I was informed 'after I get 99 I will get the best zeny during mining/fishing'. This implies it is the single best zeny making device. And that is exactly what makes me shudder. The influence on economy and on rares' accessibility.
After you get 99, you need only zeny. Usually one got zeny hunting rares and vending them (especially those which give small exp and you die a lot), increasing supply and in time decreasing demand.
Case study: when we hit 90 (and when we decided that exp < zeny), we started hunting Ancient Mimics with my partner and in time we got like 10+ Friccos. All were vended, thus we got a nice amount of zeny. A side effect was that was a zeny redistribution - we got zeny from some players and transferred that zeny to us. Friccos prices went down, of course, which means if a new player came, he/she could buy them cheaper. Of course, there is a breakpoint after which I would not vend Friccos and, for example, focus on other locations. But maybe someone else decided 'Friccos for Y zeny is still great money'. Or demand would grow and I would see many 'B>Friccos' on @main, like now is the case with Falcon Mufflers - demand went up, prices go up.
Speculation:
I know of at least 2 people who would like to buy Falcon Muffler. I haven't seen one on a market for 3 weeks now, which suggests hardly anybody is hunting there. It is not as exp-efficient as nameless island / anubis, and not as zeny-efficient as mining or fishing. People ask on main for falcon mufflers from time to time, therefore there is a stable demand... but no falcons appear.
I suspect that is because even if someone got a falcon muffler, the price would have to match or exceed projected gain from simpler, more 'mundane' actions (mining/fishing). Why should you make a Kiel Dungeon run (not the simplest one, definitely) if you can easily get zeny not having to rely on sometimes incompetent partymates and not having to share? (this of course is overemphasised).
Additionally, if you need zeny to buy something, you can just go to mines/fish for some time. The zeny influx makes prices go up (look at hatter card prices in the last 3 months; it went from 350k ea to 450k ea). For me it doesn't really matter that much - I will have fun anyway, zeny is simple to get if you have reliable partners and are 99, but I saw some new players (especially those who did not like automated actions like mining/fishing) struggle with this (umm... metal fragment needed? When I came to this server I kind of assumed people are like on any other, how should I know they would help with fishing/mining quests?). Especially the competetive ones (I am a very casual player).
Yes, it is not fair there was a change. It is not fair there will be no GR in OCA, drops were changed etc. Of course it is not fair. But if I am right, the reward system is broken, which is even worse (it rewards actions which would be best done by a bot!). And as I do not know what problem was mining/fishing introduced to address, I cannot really say more. It might have been a way to give simple way of obtaining zeny without obtaining exp (because just now it works just like that). If so, it overlaps with hunting rares in places which are not very exp-efficient (which WOULD reduce the different types of cards present on the market, thankfully, OCAs are obtainable from mining/fishing, which is GOOD because it widens the array of accessible cards). In my opinion, that was not a problem worthy being addressed. Of course, there is nobility and any changes to gold influences nobility as well...
Sorry for big walls of text, but this is an extremely complex case.
My opinion:
Whatever will be done with mining/fishing, be it a revert of changes or additional nerf (or nothing at all), I will be satisfied - it is just a game. I just want to show there might be more than meets the eye...
...and in my personal opinion the current system is broken somewhat.
I guess it is the last post of mine in this thread, as I have nothing to add XD
TL;DR:
Mining and fishing is not bad. The thing which is bad is the fact it is the best zeny making device. If it was a mediocre one, it would be OK. But still too boring for me to consider. Irx likes to write a lot.
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