Corporal Wrote:If we're going to remove the drop from Nidhoggur, then we might as well just add it back to Draco since that's where it officially should be.
Personally I think that Draco dropping both Manteau and Vest, both at 0.3% is wrong. 'Official' does not mean 'the best'. The Dragon combo might be worse than SoV and ToH wings in pure agi and flee, but it is very versatile thanks to an armour slot and in my opinion it would be
way overpowered if it was too accessible. That is why I did not say 'give it to Rata'. I
want Dragon Manteau to be difficult to get, but not
almost impossible given resources I can imagine to get.
Corporal Wrote:I believe people, along with the rest of heRO, are just lazy to assemble the parties to make an actual attempt at the MVP
Well, you got me here. Personally (again) I don't like MVP hunting because of FFA and actual time to find the thing. Believe me, I would not make this post if I could imagine any way to get Dragon Manteau in ~6 months time either using zeny or hunting it myself.
In any dungeon or party I can offer a not-very-well equipped 99 FS (DEX>INT>VIT) High Priest with always cheerful attitude, stack of BGems for Safety Walls and a decently equipped Agi dagger Stalker (twin thief ring build). Those are not a high end MVP team members, in most cases we would be more of a nuisance than help in high end MVPs (even assuming we are extremely good in playing RO, which would be false). As far as I know, people more powerful and skilled than I am
whom I know are not very interested in getting this set, because they are not that interested in Agi builds and losing an armour slot to any combo is
always a painful issue. I wouldn't call people lazy - I think the Dragon Manteau as a reward is not interesting enough for those able to kill it, and those who want this set will not be very useful at killing Nidhoggur (doesn't seem to be a MVP one could zerg >.>)
And in my opinion reducing the Nidhoggur MVP power would be just silly - there needs to be something insanely powerful to kill, at least for the bragging rights. But destroying the combo which would really benefit characters using flee seems a bit cruel. It's not that they are too good at the moment.
Still, this combo is very good -
too good to be accessible on lv1. But if, say, it was an Undine drop (I don't know a lot about this monster yet, haven't seen it, but the stories I heard make me believe it eats Duneyrr for breakfast) it would still be hard to get (you need to get to Nidhoggur dungeon lv3
and kill an Undine) wouldn't it require enough commitment? That way it would go
way above Dimensional Gorge and mini-valk incarnation level (which we can duo with my stalker partner even if it takes lots of time) but still was not impossible to get if you put a lot of effort and planning to get it.
Planning is fun. Being useless isn't.
Corporal Wrote:I don't think that that we should be looking to change who drops the gear, but rather looking at killing the current monster which drops it.
And I think we should change what drops the gear because it is a part of the combo. At the moment I am selling Dragon Vests in Pront between 1 and 1.5 mln zeny and I am afraid people who buy them might not be informed that they will never get a Dragon Manteau. I am not saying 'OMG! I WANT DRACO TO DROP IT NOW!!!', I am really trying to scale the difficulty in such a way that it is hard to get, but not impossible. Right now... we got a dungeon, but we will never have a combo.
And I'd prefer to have it on Duneyrr than on Undine, but both monsters suit me. As long as this is not a MVP I think a semi-random dedicated team with a decent plan can kill it.